Sorry, but I didn’t watch the video. I came in a quest for knowledge. I read your post on Dan’s site about the whole murder v. killing bit and I understand that. However, I don’t know Aramaic and that sorta puts a damper my understanding exactly on how Jesus would talk. Do you know which words Jesus would have used and their appropriate translations? Also, I think you might be mistaken about KJB, it is a translation from two texts, the Masoretic Texts, or the Tanak plus vowels, and the Textus Receptus which is the grand effect of many translations. That, of course, is of little importance when concerned with the Aramaic. Also, if I am wrong on the above, I do apologize, it has been ages since I took my course in studying the history and evolution of the New Testament.
Last note: we really can’t say that we know exactly which word Jesus used, as no one wrote down a word he said for at least 50 years, maybe even 70 years after his death and none who did write them . Not that I am saying the Koine you presented is wrong, just saying that we can’t know if it is right. Anyhow, anything concerning that Aramaic would be most appreciated.
Oh my, that video had me laughing.. My, oh my.
Holy Shiiite, but I’m still not surpirsed.
Dude, that is unbelievable!!! Hilarious stuff! Sigh…and I’m American. lol.
that almost made me cry a little bit. After four weeks in Malawi, I was almost ashamed to be called American. . . it’s nice to be so free, but freedom shouldn’t encourage such stupidity.
I spent a week in Malaysia once, and we found a huge wall mural of a map of the world. . . and where the US should have been, it was just another body of water between Canada & Central America. They totally left it out. Everyone over there hated us. . . they thought we were just snobby, stupid rich Americans. . . it was fun to prove them wrong.
omg. i mean the video didnt surprise me at all.
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Fun video… Sad but fun.
I find you to be very insightful on this whole matter of definition and I can see that you have worked towards educating yourself quite well. Another question that I have is a bit harder to reconcile with. Throughout the ages there have been a grand number or mistranslations and copies that have been detected, as well as evident tampering by removal or addition of lines. Evidence comes from comparing texts such as those found in Qumran which are thought to have been written by the Essenes, the Masoretic Texts (which is the Tanak with vowels added into it) and LXX. If there is such a propensity for the scribes to misrepresent, either by mistake or intention, how specific can we be with interpreting any bible?
One last question: where have you heard that Matthew might have been written in 37 CE? Earliest I have heard was 60 CE and that was supposed to be a very liberal guess.
Oh I totally agree. Sarcasm’s a wonderful tool, and a preferable mode of communication. The only point is that in the end sarcasm cannot possibly convey the sincerest point. For some reason saying something by saying the opposite in a sarcastic tone of voice is just not as genuine as saying things literally and seriously. But until that day comes and I have to tell someone something ultra-serious, I have no problem with telling my friends, “I would rather be mutilated and tortured for seven years than go see that movie with you.” But someday, somewhere, the spell must end.
Man if you ever wanted to make a case against the Democratic system this would be it. As for you fun Socratic debate that is going on it would be helpful if the man making the accusation could give an example in which the texts at Qumran differ from the others. And when I say differ I mean that they need to differ in substance because a lot of people levy the claim that they differ but just because somebody misspelled a word doesn’t change the meaning of a text. The same would be the case when referring to the addition or deletion of a verse. Does it really matter if a verse was taken out that said, ’3 people went skipping down the street.’ Maybe if the book revolved around the premise that 3 people went skipping down the street but the bible is so far removed from this it isn’t funny. If kantianjester could show a difference in substance in regard who God is then he might have a point, but until then it is just propaganda.
Here Caleb, I think that you will find this apologetic interesting when referring to the reliability of the bible. This is from Hank Hanegraaff, “Non-Christians, (skeptics like New Agers or Mormons) claim that in the process of copying Scripture the text of the Bible was corrupted. Is this really true? Suppose you wrote an essay and asked five friends to copy it. Each of them in turn asked five more friends to do the same kind of like a chain letter. By the fifth generation, you would have approximately four thousand copies. Now, obviously, in the process, some people are going to make some copying errors. The first five people to copy it would make mistakes, and then most of the people who copy from them will make some more mistakes. Eventually you’d have thousands of copies and all of them flawed. Sounds pretty bad, right? But hold on. Your five friends might make mistakes, but they wouldn’t all make the same mistakes. If you compared all of the copies, you would find that one group contained the same mistake while the other four did not which of course, would make it easy to tell the copies from the original. Not only that, but most of the mistakes would be obvious things like misspelled words or words that were accidentally omitted. Anyone looking at all four thousand copies would have no trouble figuring out which was the original. That’s essentially the same situation with the Bible. We’ve got thousands of copies of the Bible in its original language, and scholars who have studied them have been able to classify them into groups and in most cases determine what the original documents actually said. The few cases which are still debated by scholars really don,t affect the basic message of the Bible at all. In fact, interestingly enough when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered at Qumran, they predated the earliest extant text the Masoretic text by almost one thousand years yet in spite of this vast span of time, there was no substantive difference at all. In fact, in looking at Isaiah 53 there were only 17 changes between the Masoretic text and those found at Qumran 10 involved spelling, 4 style and 3 involved the Hebrew letters for the word light in verse 11. However, none of these differences were substantive God has indeed preserved His Word.”
Re: lol Yes, I did see that. And thanks!
That video is simultaneously hilarious and sad.
The story is up, if you’ve the stomach for my horrid writing.
She asked how we run meetings and what we are trying to accomplish, what sort of message we are trying to send, what we think we can do in the nation’s second most conservative county.
That’s Hayden’s way off spelling it.
I don’t want to be at odds with my family, who’s kicked me out of my home before for my lifestyle.
That video made me cry and laugh. I especially enjoyed the last sentence: “He’s from Texas. He’s gotta be right.”
We’re doomed.
of COURSE not. i love xanga.
whorespace? ru implying that my sexual boundaries are nonexistent!?
That are the funniest interviews I have ever seen! lol
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Sorry, but I didn’t watch the video. I came in a quest for knowledge. I read your post on Dan’s site about the whole murder v. killing bit and I understand that. However, I don’t know Aramaic and that sorta puts a damper my understanding exactly on how Jesus would talk. Do you know which words Jesus would have used and their appropriate translations? Also, I think you might be mistaken about KJB, it is a translation from two texts, the Masoretic Texts, or the Tanak plus vowels, and the Textus Receptus which is the grand effect of many translations. That, of course, is of little importance when concerned with the Aramaic. Also, if I am wrong on the above, I do apologize, it has been ages since I took my course in studying the history and evolution of the New Testament.
Last note: we really can’t say that we know exactly which word Jesus used, as no one wrote down a word he said for at least 50 years, maybe even 70 years after his death and none who did write them . Not that I am saying the Koine you presented is wrong, just saying that we can’t know if it is right. Anyhow, anything concerning that Aramaic would be most appreciated.
Oh my, that video had me laughing.. My, oh my.
Holy Shiiite, but I’m still not surpirsed.
Dude, that is unbelievable!!! Hilarious stuff! Sigh…and I’m American. lol.
that almost made me cry a little bit. After four weeks in Malawi, I was almost ashamed to be called American. . . it’s nice to be so free, but freedom shouldn’t encourage such stupidity.
I spent a week in Malaysia once, and we found a huge wall mural of a map of the world. . . and where the US should have been, it was just another body of water between Canada & Central America. They totally left it out. Everyone over there hated us. . . they thought we were just snobby, stupid rich Americans. . . it was fun to prove them wrong.
omg. i mean the video didnt surprise me at all.
<3 k8
Fun video… Sad but fun.
I find you to be very insightful on this whole matter of definition and I can see that you have worked towards educating yourself quite well. Another question that I have is a bit harder to reconcile with. Throughout the ages there have been a grand number or mistranslations and copies that have been detected, as well as evident tampering by removal or addition of lines. Evidence comes from comparing texts such as those found in Qumran which are thought to have been written by the Essenes, the Masoretic Texts (which is the Tanak with vowels added into it) and LXX. If there is such a propensity for the scribes to misrepresent, either by mistake or intention, how specific can we be with interpreting any bible?
One last question: where have you heard that Matthew might have been written in 37 CE? Earliest I have heard was 60 CE and that was supposed to be a very liberal guess.
Oh I totally agree. Sarcasm’s a wonderful tool, and a preferable mode of communication. The only point is that in the end sarcasm cannot possibly convey the sincerest point. For some reason saying something by saying the opposite in a sarcastic tone of voice is just not as genuine as saying things literally and seriously. But until that day comes and I have to tell someone something ultra-serious, I have no problem with telling my friends, “I would rather be mutilated and tortured for seven years than go see that movie with you.” But someday, somewhere, the spell must end.
Man if you ever wanted to make a case against the Democratic system this would be it. As for you fun Socratic debate that is going on it would be helpful if the man making the accusation could give an example in which the texts at Qumran differ from the others. And when I say differ I mean that they need to differ in substance because a lot of people levy the claim that they differ but just because somebody misspelled a word doesn’t change the meaning of a text. The same would be the case when referring to the addition or deletion of a verse. Does it really matter if a verse was taken out that said, ’3 people went skipping down the street.’ Maybe if the book revolved around the premise that 3 people went skipping down the street but the bible is so far removed from this it isn’t funny. If kantianjester could show a difference in substance in regard who God is then he might have a point, but until then it is just propaganda.
Here Caleb, I think that you will find this apologetic interesting when referring to the reliability of the bible. This is from Hank Hanegraaff,
“Non-Christians, (skeptics like New Agers or Mormons) claim that in the process of copying Scripture the text of the Bible was corrupted. Is this really true?
Suppose you wrote an essay and asked five friends to copy it. Each of them in turn asked five more friends to do the same kind of like a chain letter. By the fifth generation, you would have approximately four thousand copies. Now, obviously, in the process, some people are going to make some copying errors. The first five people to copy it would make mistakes, and then most of the people who copy from them will make some more mistakes. Eventually you’d have thousands of copies and all of them flawed.
Sounds pretty bad, right? But hold on. Your five friends might make mistakes, but they wouldn’t all make the same mistakes. If you compared all of the copies, you would find that one group contained the same mistake while the other four did not which of course, would make it easy to tell the copies from the original. Not only that, but most of the mistakes would be obvious things like misspelled words or words that were accidentally omitted. Anyone looking at all four thousand copies would have no trouble figuring out which was the original.
That’s essentially the same situation with the Bible. We’ve got thousands of copies of the Bible in its original language, and scholars who have studied them have been able to classify them into groups and in most cases determine what the original documents actually said. The few cases which are still debated by scholars really don,t affect the basic message of the Bible at all.
In fact, interestingly enough when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered at Qumran, they predated the earliest extant text the Masoretic text by almost one thousand years yet in spite of this vast span of time, there was no substantive difference at all. In fact, in looking at Isaiah 53 there were only 17 changes between the Masoretic text and those found at Qumran 10 involved spelling, 4 style and 3 involved the Hebrew letters for the word light in verse 11. However, none of these differences were substantive God has indeed preserved His Word.”
Re: lol Yes, I did see that. And thanks!
That video is simultaneously hilarious and sad.
The story is up, if you’ve the stomach for my horrid writing.
She asked how we run meetings and what we are trying to accomplish, what sort of message we are trying to send, what we think we can do in the nation’s second most conservative county.
That’s Hayden’s way off spelling it.
I don’t want to be at odds with my family, who’s kicked me out of my home before for my lifestyle.
That video made me cry and laugh. I especially enjoyed the last sentence:
“He’s from Texas. He’s gotta be right.”
We’re doomed.
of COURSE not. i love xanga.
whorespace? ru implying that my sexual boundaries are nonexistent!?
That are the funniest interviews I have ever seen! lol