March 29, 2007
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A Misleading Translation
Lately, I’ve been looking at the Greek and Hebrew behind Bible translations a lot. I can’t read Greek or Hebrew on my own yet, but with the aid of Strong and Thayer, I can at least know what the originals actually say.
Recently (as in five minutes ago), I was discussing James 2:22 with someone, and they used it as evidence that works are necessary to complete faith — that you can’t be saved without works completing your faith. Looking at the translation of the verse, it does seem to support the claim. The person being discussed in the passage is Abraham. I’ve put the phrase in question in bold in all the passages.
James 2:22 ESV
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works.James 2:22 KJV
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?James 2:22 ASV
Thou seest that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect.James 2:22 BBE
You see that his faith was helping his works and was made complete by them.There is, however, one translation I found that represents a different perspective:
James 2:22 CEV
Now you see how Abraham’s faith and deeds worked together. He proved that his faith was real by what he did.That’s interesting! It seems to be saying something rather different than the other translations doesn’t it? Of course, the Contemporary English Version isn’t exactly widely known as a Biblical standard, but I think it indicates that it might be useful to look at the original text.
James 2:22 βλεπεις οτι η πιστις συνηργει τοις εργοις αυτου και εκ των εργων η πιστις ετελειωθη
So let’s look at the definition of each of the bold words and see if we can’t sort out what they mean.
εκ is pretty easy. It’s pronounced “ex,” and is used as a common prefix in english. It means out of, from, by, or away from.
των is a basic article, translating to “the.” It bears no apparent significance on the passage except as a function of grammar.
εργων is pronounced “ergon.” According to Strong’s, it means work, toil, or deed.
So we have the first part of the phrase: “from/by the work/toil/deed…” That much is agreed on by all the translations, although the CEV rearranged the sentence structure.
η is another article that translates as “the.”
πιστις or “pistis” means, “persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: – assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity” (Strong’s, G4102)
So now we have, “from/by the work/toil/deed, the persuasion/conviction/assurance/belief/faith…”
Now for the big one. The next word is the verb, and will show us just how faith and works relate — which is what we’re trying to find out from this passage. Basically, this word is the key to understanding the passage, and without it we just have two things and no way to relate them.
ετελειωθη is τελειόω in the aorist tense (for our purposes, we’ll simplify this as past tense), passive voice, and indicative mood.
According to Thayer, here’s the definition of τελειόω (“teleioo”):
1) to make perfect, complete
1a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end
2) to complete (perfect)
2a) add what is yet wanting in order to render a thing full
2b) to be found perfect3) to bring to the end (goal) proposed
4) to accomplish
4a) bring to a close or fulfilment by event
4a1) of the prophecies of the scriptures
This is obviously a different sense than we get from most of the translations, because we’ve misunderstood what was meant by “made perfect.” It seemed, from the ESV or KJV, that “made perfect” might mean “made real/complete/whole,” but it seems now that a more accurate understanding was that it means “made effective/fulfilled/finished.” The verb teleioo actually comes from the adjective teleios (τέλειος) which indicates having been brought to an end, or to maturity or consumation. It doesn’t have so much to do with being made whole as one might initially assume.
James 2:22 CPV (Caleb’s Personal Version) …by work, faith was fulfilled.
I think that’s a much nicer and less misleading translation, don’t you?
Based on a quick glance at the rest of the sentence, there could also be some very interesting things brought out by going through this process with the whole verse, but I really don’t have the mental capacity to keep at this that long.
Thoughts?
Comments (52)
That doesn’t really convince me of anything, though. You know the 3 virtues: hope, faith, love? I thought that in heaven, faith is fulfilled, hope is unnecessary, and all that remains is love. So how’s faith fulfilled here on earth?
I don’t mean “fulfilled” in the sense you’re using it. That’s how.
You apparently refuse to understand the meaning in anything i say.
James 2:22 CPV (Caleb’s Personal Version) …by work, faith was fulfilled.
So what IS it that you mean?
:pirate:
:boxing:
Oooh, I want in, I want in.
Abraham’s faith was fulfilled. He’s dead. For the rest of us, it has to be a work in progess (pun intended).
:bow:
-Isaac
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I like Isaac’s idea!
how about by the work of Christ faith is fulfilled…faith He is my only way to a relationship with the Father. we as followers of Christ do works or show love (which is action/works) to those in this world even when they do not deserve it because we ourselves did not deserve Christ’s love to the point of death for us!!!!
Abraham is in the faith chapter in Hebrews 11 (I just got home from work so my brain is tired…i think it’s chapter 11)
I hate to be nitpicky – no, I don’t hate to be nitpicky, it’s one of my favorite things to do – but EK is actually pronounced ek, not ex. You’re getting “kappa” confused with “xi.”
But yes. I thoroughly enjoyed my studies in Greek and hope to continue them for that very reason. And, from experience, I can tell you that NRSV is very close to the original Greek.
ryc: told ya i was tired after working 9 hours at work and getting home at 9pm doesn’t make for a good combination. just goes to show you don’t try to read a very deep post on exhaustion!!!!
I rather like “complete” or “fulfill” for the verb, because faith without works isn’t real faith at all, but you can’t get confused & think that mere works is faith. Works are a facet of faith, without which you obviously don’t have complete faith.
I think you have a good idea. It isn’t by works that we are saved, but works stand as a demonstration of our faith.
I do ‘x’ because I have faith.
Faith without works is dead (James 2:26) then takes on an interesting meaning. If you trust the translation – then you start to answer the question as to why so many people have the ability to question their faith.
After all, how is it that we can be assured in our faith? By testing it.
Good thoughts… though even the translation “by work, faith was fulfilled” seems to me to easily be construed as needing works to be saved…
However, for me the clarification comes through verse 14 – “What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has ‘faith’ but he has no works? Can ‘faith’ save him?” or “Can that faith save him?”
Either of the last two phrases would mean the same thing, in this particular context, I think… and it seems to be the key phrase of the passage- the whole rest of the passage asks, “can a work-less faith save you?” Is a ’fire’ that produces no smoke or heat or light really a fire?
It’s also interesting for me to note that Romans 3:28, 4:2 ”justified by faith” are referring to Genesis 15:5-6, whereas James 2:21,24 “justified by works” are referring to Genesis 22, ten or twenty YEARS later in Abraham’s life. It thus seems quite simple to understand that the word “justified” is (at least potentially) being used in a different sense. And as we look at the context, this is confirmed. Paul is talking about legal righteousness before God, James is talking about the “uselessness” (v.14,16,18,20) of a work-less faith. A work-less faith is not the ‘type’ of faith that will save anyone… it is a false faith; a dead faith (v.17).
Does anyone here really think that Abraham was justified by the very few works listed here? If he had gone apostate after these good works? Think Solomon. Faith is fulfilled upon death, folks.
IsaacRW:
Well, it does say in scripture “Was not Abraham
our father’s faith justified by works?” So it’s not Abraham itself, it’s his faith.
Super. After all, there is such a huge difference between your faith and your person being justified, isn’t there?
*You can’t have one without the other* :happydance:
ryc:
Yes. It is depressing. But I believe it to be the truth. It’s easy enough for someone to believe that Jesus came to save us (or at least I have no trouble believing it), but I will not go around telling everyone that I’m a Christian. I am not a Christian simply because I haven’t gone to church in probably about 3 years and I have not led a Christ-like life. I do, however, believe in Jesus as the Savior.
Did that make sense?
I am too ill-informed to throw in my two-cents on the matter. I will, however, say that I liked yours and Sam’s song very, very much. ‘Twas beautiful.
yes yes… Nickleback is so gay it makes me want to stop looking at rainbows because they remind me of them… tragic
in the same chapter, just verses away, reads “faith without works is dead, being alone.” (KJV)
isn’t it logical that if had believed something, we would act on it? if i were hungry, and truly believed that eating golden grahams would fill me up, i would eat them. faith isn’t just a passive belief, but an action.
- Christ suffered for my sins
- we are commanded to be baptized and follow commandments
- i believe this
- therefore, i will be baptized and follow commandments
the above is a rudimentary example at best, but it differentiates quickly those that profess a belief in God, and those that have faith in God. belief is passive and often supported with empirical evidence; faith is active and as suggested by paul, seldom has supporting empirical evidence (rom. 8:24).
C.S. Lewis compared faith and works to scissorblades — not that one is useless without the other, but that asking which was more important was a moot point, as they will both be seen hand-in-hand.
ryc: Your thinking is flawed in a number of areas. Notice that i said, “inspite of”, regarding my current view of life and poverty. Not trying to sound overly conceited, but if poverty hadn’t been there to hold me down, I would have taken off like bats from the mouth of hell. As it is, it only slowed me down. The majority of people that I know did not grow up the way I did, but they are stable nonetheless. Some did and are emotional wrecks today (not that I don’t have my moments). And most do see plenty of tragedy in their life. I just have a little more experience than most, that’s all. Trust me, growing up without poverty is far better than with it. As I’m sure experiences in different parts of the world have taught you.
-Isaac
ryc about Mooshpit’s beliefs:
Why do you say “No offense, man?” What a joke. You were offensive just because you disagree with him. A disagreement with someone’s interpretation of Scripture, God, or otherwise doesn’t mean that you have to disrespect their beliefs. I could react in the same way towards your beliefs but who benefits from this?
My encouragement to you is to seek to offer your theology and/or world view in respect and love without making people feel belittled or disrespected. Your thoughts and ideas will heard much clearer and be more respected if you do so.
sarcasm got it… anyway we were forced to learn hebrew in bible class. and right now we are doing in depth word study. actually its wicked interesting to see which words God chose to convey different things.
translations are fun, but symantics arent… i just got confused
as far as justice goes, last i checked my crimes have already been sentenced and that sentence was already carried out… so, i now have to recompense for a crime i’ve already been forgiven for? thats like having to pay rent on something i already own…
in defence of self-defence, He did say “turn the other cheek”, so you’re right about that… but i still wouldnt let harm come to my wife or child if someone were to attack them, and since He also set an example of standing up to bullies several times, most obviously mary magdelene and the pharisees, i would assume that stance is justified…
i am greatly amused by these smileys
:goforit: :notouchy: :splash: :deadhand: :radiation: :fakesmile:
touche’…
i still wouldnt let anyone hurt my family…
not trying to justify anything, but the instance of Him whipping the temple moneychangers actually does have a “defence of the weak” tone to it… His exact words according to the NIV are “you have turned My house into a den of thieves”… the word “thief” implying they were stealing something… who from exactly? most theologians accept that the victims of this thievery were the gentiles, the underdogs, those needing to be fought for… dont take my word for it, i havent got any solid confirmational source, but if you want to look into it, please do tell me what comes up…
as it appears, there never was any dispute regarding capital punishment
Well, when something is lunging at your face it’s hard to tell how big it is, and with the tail and head stretched out, trust me, it seemed 3 feet long!
Oh, yeah, what was the email addy we were supposed to send stuff for The Scribbling Quill to?
I was tempted to put this in my videoblog;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPM9Q0O5vhA
Well I don’t know the complete context of the quote because it was used in a text book of mine, but I don’t think it was in reference to baptism. But yeah…..he apparently didn’t like Jews much.
Good work in being a Berean and searching the Scriptures for yourself. I must agree with you…and I have always been taught that works prove your faith, more like the CEV or CPV translations.
Now to go check out your video blog….
Mrs. C
Terribly sorry about the delay in my getting back to you about x, y, and z, but there has been tons of crazy stuff going on. I can’t quite remember about what we last talked, i think something to do with hugs, Jesus and terror, but oh well. If you were wondering about what I meant by that is the typification of showing forgiveness and acceptance by satisfying “Skin Hunger” for another person, or showing enough care and compassion to grant them a basic need of touch. Anyhow, time is short and lists of duties is tall, so hopefully I will be able to make a more complete and responsive statement soon. Have a nice day.
I didn’t read any of your commenters but I have something to say, and as always it’s confrontational and “con los tacos de frente.”
“fulfilled” and “completed”…. different yet so similar. E
ven if fulfilled was the right pick out of the huge set of choices, you still have “faith is not fulfilled without works.”
Now, you could say that un fulfilled faith is still faith and that through the Holy Spirit works will come and so on… but I think there’s something that always gets ignored at this point of the conversation.
We assume that because of whatever biblically backed excuse we make for ourselves, an unfulfilled faith is ok. Well, The New Covenant is a beautiful promise. Never before has our relationship with God been placed in front of us with so much ease and intimacy. But what use would it be without the cross? You see, it is in the fulfilment of the covenant, when Jesus said “it is ‘τελειόω’ ” and then he died. So what use is our faith?
You see Caleb, I don’t know about election and free will. I don’t know about perseverance of the saints or not. I decided a long time ago to only care about what my side of the covenant is. God promised never to stop doing good to me and be intimate with me all the time. If something is not right between he and I, then I must be doing something wrong. So I accepted the debate, accepted that to lean on one is good, but to shun the other is foolish. And then set out to find what my job in this relationship is. I know works don’t save you. I know I can’t give my body to be burned in order to earn my way to heaven. But I also know that God didn’t save me into stagnation. Every day is works. It doesn’t matter if it simply means to not act upon annoyances, or if it means to give a total stranger your car because you heard of his need and of God’s work in his life…. Whatever the case may be, everything in your ‘walk’ is works. ‘Walking’ in and of itself is works, praying is works, recognizing you’re fallen is works.
So, in my book, you change nothing by swaping out completed and fulfilled. Your relationship with Christ still has the same charges independent of it.
A Note on that last paragraph though: I am assuming that we are talking to non-extremeists. If the guy that is on the works side of the argument cringes when the word “election” is spoken, then I seriously recomend that you quietly research so you expose yourself to it. It IS SCRIPTURE FRIEND. I come from that same side. I grew up loving me some free will. But through learning not to argue, but to learn from those crazy presbyterians that I understood so little (one of wich was one of Caleb’s youth workers) I found a lot of scripture that I had chosen to ignore because it didn’t fit what I thought.
You see, the real issue is not “which doctrine is right.” The thing that matters is “What truths are in the Bible.” I know that there seems to be no difference since doctrine is a search for truth in and of it self.But the attitude of the heart is severely different when you’re going to keep your doctrine unless something totally and unarguably devastates it. It seldom will, but your conversations will be very destructive! instead, be humble! Recognized that since you are experiencing God, you both are saved and thus the Holy Spirit has reavealed things to both of you. Your logic might be flawless, but our logic is worth little against God’s logic. So give everything the benefit of the doubt instead of trying to convert everybody. In the end, you’re only responsible for presenting the gospel, converting is up to the Holy Spirit.
Caleb, I’m sorry I rambled so much!!!!
ryc: I will miss you too, but I love our cyber-friendship all too much to feel like I’m really leaving you… but you should come with me. Go online, find a job, and let’s go.
You know a good textbook to learn Greek is The Basics of Biblical Greek by William Mounce. He also does a Hebrew work. I haven’t looked at the Hebrew one, but the Greek one is pretty good. I’m not fluent yet (that’s because I’ve taken off too many months from studying it), but I know it is a good work! Check it out.
Josue told me to write something. but we can play if you want. :guru:
RYC: I got mine off Amazon…cheap is relative. Cheap for Bill Gates is probably way expensive for us
RYC on Tico’s site I didn’t tell him to step out on faith…I asked/assumed he was. I stood corrected.
I WAS WRONG!!! What has the world come to? Oh NO! ha ha ha!!!
I’m am here to publicly confess that Jesus did not say the same thing right before dying. Ha ha… I should’be done the research BEFORE clicking “submit.” Oh well though. My bad, it WILL happen again. ha ha.
Hydrogen permaganate and glicerine! (look it up)
I meant potassium, not hydrogen….
:radiation:
Looking at the original languages is a good idea. I’ve devoted quite some time to it. However, knowing your limitations is just important as being aware of the options that are before you.
One must be careful in doing the “Amplified Bible” trick. The Amplified Bible often lists several options for different words. Instead of doing the interpreting itself on some things, it leaves the option up to the reader. However, some people are misled into thinking that either a) the original word meant all of those things or b) every option is equally valid.
As far as literal translations go, I think three of your best options are the New American Standard Bible, the English Standard Version, and the NetBible (netbible.com; you can get it in hard print too). The last one is really cool because it’s loaded with footnotes explaining a) why they went with the translation they did and b) other options they ultimately rejected. Any translation involves interpretation (not just with Bibles; this includes anything written or spoken). It’s important to understand the limitations of translations as well.
I believe the CEV is written on a 3rd grade reading level (or lower). This doesn’t mean a lot of what it says is necessarily wrong or untrustworthy. However, a lot of times it will “dumb down” concepts or simplify the language to make it easier to understand. This certainly has its place, although I would think it’s not really the best bet for serious Bible study.
When you first start learning Greek, you learn the basics (the alphabet, the forms, etc). However, once you get the grammar down, then you move on to syntax. This is where you start studying, for instance, which meaning “ek” takes in this passage. The basic ideas of the preposition include source, separation, temporal, cause, partitive, and means (I got this out of Daniel Wallace’s syntax book. There are other sources as well.). However, selecting the right usage isn’t as simple as choosing which usage you like the most. I bring this up because it’s an easy mistake to go the “Amplified” route, look up potential meanings, and then assign the ones you like (I’m not accusing you of this; I’m speaking in general).
Words coming from “teleioo” usually carry the idea of perfection. However, the American English idea of perfection tends to gravitate towards the more narrow idea of without flaw. The Greek word usually relates more to becoming “mature” or “complete.” “Teleo” is a related verb that has the idea of “finish” or “complete.” In that sense, I can see why “perfected” is not an optimal translation (because of the connotations we attach to “perfect”).
I think the Bible teaches that a person’s faith is incomplete without works. We were saved for good works (Eph 2:10). However, at no point does our works become the means of our salvation. They are a result of our being in Christ. In John 15, Jesus’ parable about the vine and the branches is clear enough. By remaining in Christ, we will produce fruit. That’s how it works. This doesn’t take away from “justification by faith.” There is no earning going on. It is a part of our sanctification, though.
Justification is the initial part of our conversion. It is what makes us “not guilty” before God (technically, we’re still guilty, but the punishment has been paid–>our sins are forgiven). However, it doesn’t stop there. Sanctification is what the Christian life is about: living a holy life through the power of the Holy Spirit. Someone who lives in sin (i.e. not commits sins, but is unrepentant and leads a life characterized by sin) walks a dangerous line. Their sins aren’t so bad that Christ won’t forgive them, but they are opening themselves up to rejecting his sacrifice.
The scissors analogy for faith and works is very flawed in my opinion. This is giving them [faith and works] both the same function, which is very off base. We are saved by grace (grace is the cause or basis) through faith (faith is the means) at baptism (that’s a temporal use of “at”-at the time of baptism; I know I just lost some people there) for good works (purpose). [I won't go too far into the baptism thing since that's not the point of this post or my reply.] A better analogy in my opinion is someone giving you a check for $1 million even though you owe them money. Grace is the trait of the one bestowing the money-giving you something good when you deserve something bad. Faith is your trust in that person’s offer. Baptism is you cashing the check at the bank, accepting the gift where it has been designated to be received. The purpose behind this wasn’t just so you’d have a lot of money, but so that you could be benevolent.
Fun discussion.
User has whispered to xristosanesti …
Here’s a quick summation I guess:
Works are a way of life, not a way of salvation.
“So you’re a cannibal”
Oh Caleb, that’s disturbing.
RYC: Yes, meaning I experience attractions to both guys and girls. I don’t act on my feelings anymore. Nothing wrong with that.
I appreciate what Josh had to say.
Interesting post… :guru:
ryc- I was just joking. I was seeing what comments he would delete and he didn’t delete my stupid one.. :
Oh, and btw.. I’m reading Mere Christianity right now. It’s really good!
I can understand your point. I’m not calling this a vision or anything like that. The Spiritual Exercises have you engage in deep contemplation of various things, and through your thoughts, experiences, and imagination God can interact with you in surprising ways. Yes, a lot of my own personal experiences are found in what I experienced but to me it definitely wasn’t a dream, nor was it thinking. It was a new kind of prayer for me and very person; it was like God was painting a picture for me, but He only used colors that I had with me at the time. It’s kind of hard to explain… but I really do understand your hesitation. I think it is very healthy and, frankly, I wish more people would question the things they experience and be wary of things that might seem like God at first, but turn out not to be. I have found my own experiences to be of God, though I would hardly declare them miraculous or saintly. Just God speaking to me individually, calling me by name. There are other men here who have all had their own experiences with the Spiritual Exercises; I am not unique. God can do amazing things with a person when they spend 30 days in prayer and silence.
I hope this helped you… God bless!
hello ^~^
call me bri, my name is brianna tho..
Well, if I’m bi, I’m temped by both girls AND guys…which is worse. =P Right?
I’m really tired right now, maybe because I stayed up late on Wednesday studying for two important tests…and I never really caught up. Oops.
ryc: I was aware of the real ’sure-fire way’ to be the first commentor on my own blog… but frankly, I like the thrill of trying to beat out others.
“Eh”, I think you said something about that last year too…but I’mma gonna keep on sayin it anyways. Happy Easter..”He is risen, Beloved!”
I’m not a Greek scholar, I had two years in college and year in seminary, but you seem to be on your way to understanding it. If you want a good translation, one that is most accurate from the original languages, go with the NASB or NKJV. I use NASB for preaching and studying. That verse is talking about our faith being made perfect in our works. Our salvation is not a one-time event. Yes, there is a single moment where you trust Christ, but it is an active process that keeps going until you meet Jesus. 1 Corininthians 1:18 says For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
The verb for “are being saved” is a present passive participle. Passive in that God is the acting agent, we have nothing to do with salvation and the present tense indicates an ongoing action. We are in the process of having our salvation made complete, perfected, if you will. That is done through our works. We aren’t saved because of them, but we desire to do them once we are saved.
There’s my two cents in all this.
Well written.
btw, Corinne, whether EK is actually pronounced as ek or ex. We really do not know. The greek we are pronouncing now is unlikely to be similar to the greek used back then. The way we pronounce it now is more of a social construct. E.g. American Greek scholars will pronounce words very differently from say… Australian ones.